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So, yea, I have been watching the news reports of the Fundemental Church of Latter Day Saints and to be honest I am completely irate and appalled. One, that our government again is sticking its nose into things that are protected under the constitution, (yet another way the "Separation of Church and State" ideal has been corrupted and abused to ONLY protect the Government from Religion and not vice versa) and Two, that the media, once again with its completely ethnocentric viewpoint has been railing on the dress, behavior and beliefs of this Church.

I have never seen a news report dedicated to the dress of the Amish, Hassidic Jews, Buddhist Monks, or Krishna followers, indeed, I have not seen the media go out of their way to smear these people or their way of life, and yet it is open season on this sect currently in the news---why? For a culture that outwardly applauds diversity, I see a lot of prejudicial reporting geared at conformity lately.

I have seen the children of HUNDREDS of American Citizens be removed from their home on the "report" of abuse by ONE 16 year old girl. Can we all say "Police State"? Holy cripes, this is outrageous!

We have reports of a few girls in the sect who are underage being pregnant. HELLO! Have you compared this to the NATIONAL average? Are you even flipping aware that the United States has the highest Teen pregnancy rate in the WORLD? Do you think that in a "religious community" that this might somehow be different? Oy!

There was a report of the "Lost Boys" of Polygamy this morning. Again, without any comparison to the statistics of the greater society. You are aware that many teenage boys reach the age of 18 without a damn CLUE of what they will do with their lives, or the skills to enter the workforce. Holy cow, the bias and prejudice of the media while covering this story has reached new heights of idiocy.
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Comments

[info]dynachik wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2008 01:57 pm (UTC)
Very good points about the other religions. That's crazy that about the "Lost Boys" most of the people I know didn't know what they wanted to do when they were 18. It's too bad that the news and even people I went to school with like to talk negatively about the Church of Latter Day Saints.
[info]toddzgrrl02 wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2008 03:07 pm (UTC)
This isn't the same as the church of latter day saints. This is the FLDS.
[info]dynachik wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2008 05:48 pm (UTC)
Oh I see I figured they were similar since wiki brought me to LDS page..anyway guess I need to look up what exactly FLDS is all about. Thanks for informing me that they are different. Now off I go to look up some info on them.

:)
[info]toddzgrrl02 wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2008 03:04 pm (UTC)
I dunno. I can sort of see your point, but at the same time if the adults are really taking girls as young as 13 and forcing them into marriage and sexual relationships and they are having multiple kids so young, how can that be a good thing? Or legal? And what is to stop other ppl from forming their own religions that say pedophilia is a religious belief and getting away with abuse due to religious beliefs? What about NAMBLA? What if they became a "religion"? I saw some of the pics of the women and could not believe how aged they looked, considering they were in their early 20's. They looked twice their real age, like they had had a hard life. These girls are having the right to choose taken away from them by forcing them into marriages and sexual relationships that result in children. This group has been under investigation for a long time. They weren't randomly targeted or attacked. And this is not the only group of them. There are at least two others. There is a big difference IMO of the rate of teen pregnancy in the US due to teens who have sex for fun and pregnancy is a result and a teen having sex forced on her by a man 2 or 3x's her age. And I think that the phone call was the reason they needed to be able to finally open a case against this abusive group. I feel bad for the mother's being separated from their children, but at the same time, this cycle of abuse/manipulation/control needs to stop.
[info]nalora wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2008 03:41 pm (UTC)
First, although the group in Texas is a part of the larger group that has been under investigation, the charge against the group in Texas came AFTER the big to do over the trial of the minister, and was made by ONE 16 year old girl in this particular parish.

Let's take another "for instance" here, Why has the Government NOT taken a stronger stance and a wider investigation of the Roman Catholic Church, where child abuse, sexual abuse, etc. is even more widely reported?

How do we know any of these teen pregnancies were the result of sexual abuse and NOT merely teen curiousity and the result of sex with other teens in the community or even OUTSIDE of it?

The problem here is that despite all the "investigation" I have seen little in the way of FACT, a whole HELLUVA lot of assumptions, and in the end, bias reporting by the media.

What is truly sad is that if, in fact, none of it turns out to be true, if nothing is ever proven in a court of law, the only thing that will be remembered is the idiotic reports and speculations currently in the press.

If the Government is allowed to run willy nilly over the rights of its people, especially where religion is concerned then are we truly a free people?
[info]toddzgrrl02 wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
They have had someone living in the group for a few years now... basically building a case, from what I understand.
[info]nalora wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2008 05:35 pm (UTC)
I have heard the ravings of one man who claims to have investigated the Church, however as I said before, there is a ethnocentricity to these allegations that is deeply troubling to me. Much of what he says--and much of what the media says about this church can be said about any church or closed community.

Are we to now demand that the Catholic Church stop dressing women in those funny "habits" and subjecting them to what WE percieve as "a hard life" in the convent? What about that funny garb that the bishops and the Pope wears? Should we demand he "tune in" to today's society and wear a necktie and suit?

Are we to demand of these girls that they wear make-up and style their hair differently, because they "look older" than their years?

Where will it end? When we are all dressed in Grey and wearing funny hats?
[info]toddzgrrl02 wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2008 05:55 pm (UTC)
I haven't heard any focus on clothing. My main concern is with the possibility of forced marriage, forced sexual encounters, esp between children and adults. They could wear gunny sacks and shave their heads bald for all I could care. It's the possibility of sexual abuse that is the issue.
[info]nalora wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2008 06:14 pm (UTC)
Granted allegations of sexual abuse, etc. should be investigated, but what has happened here is the equivalent of taking ALL the children of a small town away from the residents because of allegations against one.

These people live in homes -- each family has its own house, etc. But EVERY child was taken.

I am more concerned at this point about the long term psychological effects of the separation of all of these children from their parents, their home and the ONLY life they have known up to this point, and being suddenly, without explanation exposed to a life that is vastly different.

Who will answer for THAT abuse?
[info]fluidinsanity wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2008 10:59 pm (UTC)
I think the trauma of (temporarely if they are wrong) removal of the children from their homes is far less then NOT taking them and risk they will be abused many times more before they finally did figure out if it where true or not.

I for one wouldn't want to be the person who did nothing while the investigation that could last for many more months or maybe years lasts and then find out they where true and having to live with the knowledge that my actions caused more lasting sexual abuse when the children in question could've bee removed earlier.
Child sexual abuse should ALWAYS be taken seriously.

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